Blaeh schrieb:

Jan schrieb:

Eher Fantasy, aber nur wenn die Welt sich selbst als normal wahrnimmt und nicht sich selbst für Fantasy hält

erklär mal.

luke schrieb:

Jan schrieb:

Blaeh schrieb:

Jan schrieb:

Eher Fantasy, aber nur wenn die Welt sich selbst als normal wahrnimmt und nicht sich selbst für Fantasy hält

erklär mal.

Fall 1: Es gibt sehr wenig "Fantasy" (also Magie/Magier/Elfen/whatever) es macht Sinn, dass die Menschen all das für Stoff aus Legenden halten (quasi für semi-Fantasy) ist okay, aber nicht so mein Ding. Wenn in so einem Fall, aber alle die seit Jahren nicht in Kontakt mit sowas kamen sowas für voll nehmen, wirken automatisch alle solche Charaktäre dumm/falsch und das Buch ist hinFall 2: Es gibt (mindestens in bestimmten Bereichen) viel Magie. Hier ist sie quasi selbstverständlich und wird weniger als mythisch und eher im gemeinen wissenschaftlich betrachtet. Solche Bücher mag ich viel lieber. Weil das (imo) nur logisch ist, dass Letue versuchen die Magie zu verstehen (und dadurch besser nutzen zu können)

drop mal für beide fälle beispiele bitte
@ot: sport machen xd

brezel oder croissant?

dankpotato schrieb:

harry potter ist für mich fall 1
ein grund warum die reihe heftiger trash ist

Taure schrieb:

The Nature of Magic
Observations
1. We have seen magic cast on people and animals, objects, buildings, places, linguistic items (names), job positions, memories, and items of abstract knowledge (secrets).
2. Magic is generally predictable. A spell cast in the same way will behave in the same way.
3. Magic is sometimes unpredictable. An example is the spontaneous gaining of sentience by the Weasleys’ Ford Anglia.
4. JKR has said on Pottermore:
"... broadly speaking, wizards would have the power to correct or override 'mundane' nature, but not 'magical' nature."
5. We have seen wizards create relatively large amounts of matter (at least kilograms) out of nothing (for example, aguamenti).
6. According to Snape in OotP, “time and space matter in magic”.
7. Harry could summon his broom from a significant distance, the Taboo was able to affect an entire nation.
8. Events have magical power, according to JKR’s old site:
“It is important to state that I always saw these kinds of magic (the very deepest life and death issues) as essentially un-scientific; in other words, there is no “Elder Wand + Lily’s Blood = Assured Survival” formula. What count, ultimately, are Harry and Voldemort’s own choices. They have each been given certain weapons and safeguards, but the power of these objects and past happenings lie in how they are understood, and how they are used or enacted upon. Harry has a deeper and truer understanding of the meaning of the objects and past events, but his greatest powers, those that save him, are free will, courage and moral certainty.”
9. A killing curse is completely unblockable by magic, no matter what amount of magic is put against it.
10. Ron Weasley, though inexpert, was able to levitate a troll’s club just as easily as he could a feather.

Conclusions
1. Magic does not work with the rules of the universe known to Muggles, nor is it not some as-yet-undiscovered part of physics. Magic is apart from “mundane nature” and able to override it. (From 4).
2. While magic of the sort taught at Hogwarts and used in daily life is in general predictable enough to be relied upon, at its most fundamental level magic is not tightly rule-bound or formulaic. (From 2, 3, and 8). There remains a significant element of mystery and “fairy tale logic” to the deepest magic.
3. Magic is not a form of energy (from 4 and conclusion 1). If magic were energy, wizards would have access to absurdly huge quantities of it, as they are able to create kilograms of matter (from 5). A single aguamenti spell would use more energy than the largest nuclear bomb ever exploded.
4. As far as magic is concerned, human concepts are real existing things which can be interacted with (from 1).
5. It can be said that magic is best understood as conceptual, not physical (from all the above). Physical analogies will often be inappropriate for understanding the way magic works. For a start, magic does not always follow conservation rules (from 9). Nor does mass seem to have an effect on spells (from 10). Superior analogies may be linguistic concepts, or even set theory.
6. Magical power has a diverse range of sources. It may be that everything in the world has some measure of magical significance (from 8).
7. While magic can override physical law, it is not without limits, which are described as magical law. Time and space is one such limit (from 6) and it is notable that, with few exceptions (see 7, but consider that the Taboo is a spell on a word, not a place), we only see wizards casting magic on their immediate surroundings. So while magic can override physical law, it cannot override magical law, and accordingly we won’t see a wizard summoning Mars any time soon.