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That said, there was also Defense of the Ancients, which we helped clean up and released as part of an official TFT download. That spawned an entire new genre. So through the good and bad, the best rose up and became their own games. I think, if nothing else, that's a good legacy for Warcraft III to have. 

Icefrog simply continued the work of others who had long been refining DOTA. The original DOTA map had nothing to do with him. We helped fix a bunch of the triggers and included it as an official download after TFT. Though it was quickly obsolete. I'm not sure how many of the cleaned up triggers made it back into the DOTA community.They later updated a version of AllStars in 2010 which you can get here:classic.battle.net/war3/maps/dota.shtmlIcefrog did a lot of additional work, but quite frankly, gets entirely too much credit for it. It was not his original concept, he didn't design a majority of the heroes, and to my knowledge, he was only making tweaks and balance changes thereafter. The vast majority of his design on DOTA2 for Valve demonstrates how immature he is as a designer, as he focused on maintaining details of War3's DOTA, even if they don't serve the game. Copying elements like turning speeds, creep denial, and other very difficult to understand and generally anti-fun components that were only in Warcraft 3's version of DOTA due to the limitations of that game engine or how things were designed for War3, demonstrates that he doesn't have a clear grasp of good modern design. As far as I can tell, he basically forced Valve to copypasta all of DOTA All Stars, for which the majority of its core gameplay and heroes came from previous designers.In that regard, you can't really attribute DOTA to any one designer (and most definitely not Icefrog), as it spawned slowly over many iterations and variations. No individual can claim to be its creator, and any individual who does make that claim should be considered with disdain. Though I don't know that Icefrog ever made that claim.Anyways, that's just my opinion.