Der Echtzeitstrategie Thread |ASL Season 17

Outrage · 13. April 2018, 18:20

Warb schrieb:

1.29 ist live auf Bnet

Hero Balance Changes

Mountain King
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Stormbolt

Level 2: Reduce damage from 225 to 210
Level 3: Reduce damage from 350 to 325
Thunder Clap

Level 1: Increased damage from 60 to 65; Increased area of effect from 25 to 30
Level 2: Increased damage from 100 to 125; Increased area of effect from 30 to 35
Level 3: Increased damage from 140 to 175; Increased area of effect from 35 to 40
Paladin
Attack Speed

Reduced cooldown from 2.2 to 2.0 seconds
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Divine Shield

Level 2: Reduced duration from 30 to 25
Level 3: Reduced duration from 45 to 35
Blademaster
Mirror Image

Reduced Mana cost from 115 to 100 for all levels
Critical Strike

Removed + damage item interaction from multiplier calculation: (Avg Damage + Item Damage)*Critical Multiplier = Total Damage
Prior calculation: (Avg Damage *Critical Multiplier) + Item Damage = Total Damage
Far Seer
Feral Spirit

Level 1: Increased unit healths from 200 to 250
Level 2: Increased unit healths from 300 to 350; Reduced unit level from 4 to 3 to reduce enemy experience reward
Level 3: Reduced unit level from 5 to 4 to reduce enemy experience reward
Chain Lightning

Reduced damage reduction from 15% to 10% per jump for all levels
Far Sight

Level 1: Removed mana cost; Added a cooldown of 60 seconds
Level 2: Removed mana cost; Added a cooldown of 45 seconds
Level 3: Removed mana cost; Added a cooldown of 30 seconds
Shadow Hunter
Serpent Wards

Level 1: Increased damage from 11-13 to 14-16; Increased health from 75 to 90
Level 2: Increased damage from 23-26 to 27-30; Increased health from 135 to 165
Level 3: Increased damage from 41-45 to 48-52; Increased health from 135 to 200
Tauren Chieftain
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
War Stomp

Level 1: Increased damage from 25 to 30
Level 2: Increased damage from 50 to 60
Level 3: Increased damage from 75 to 90
Reincarnation

Reduced spellcast from 7 seconds to 5 seconds
Crypt Lord
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Carrion Beetles

Level 1: Increased health from 140 to 170; Increase movement speed from 270 to 290
Level 2: Increased health from 275 to 330; Increase movement speed from 270 to 290
Level 3: Increased health from 410 to 490; Increase movement speed from 270 to 290
Impale

Level 1: Increased damage from 50 to 75
Level 2: Increased damage from 80 to 120
Level 3: Increased damage from 110 to 165
Dread Lord
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Carrion Swarm

Level 1: Increased maximum damage from 300 to 400
Level 2: Increased maximum damage from 600 to 700
Level 3: Increased maximum damage from 1000 to 1200
Mana Cost reduced from 110 to 100 for all levels
Now damages mechanical units
Sleep

Cooldown reduced from 6 seconds to 4 seconds for all levels
Level 1: Reduced duration from 20 (5) sec to 15 (4) sec; Reduced mana cost from 100 to 80
Level 2: Reduced duration from 40 (10) sec to 35 (8) sec; Reduced mana cost from 75 to 65
Level 3: Reduced duration from 60 (15) sec to 55 (12) sec
Vampiric Aura

Level 1: Increased life steal from 15% to 20%
Level 2: Increased life steal from 30% to 35%
Level 3: Increased life steal from 45% to 50%
Lich
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Demon Hunter
Mana Burn

Increased mana cost from 50 to 60 for all levels
Keeper of the Grove
Intelligence

Increased default value from 18 to 19
Tranquility

Added 3 seconds of invulnerability on spellcast
Reduced duration from 30 seconds to 15 seconds
Increased healing per second from 20 to 40
Entangling Roots

Level 2: Reduced duration on units from 24 seconds to 18 seconds; Increased duration on heroes from 3 seconds to 5 seconds; Increased damage per second from 15 damage to 20 damage
Level 3: Reduced duration on units from 36 seconds to 30 seconds; Increased duration on heroes from 5 seconds to 7 seconds; Increased damage per second from 25 Damage to 30 Damage
Force of Nature

Increased Treant attack damage from 14 to 16
Priestess of the Moon
Attack Speed

Reduced cooldown from 2.46 to 2.33 seconds
Scout

Increased speed from 270 to 300
Level 1: Reduced mana cost from 100 to 50
Level 2: Reduced mana cost from 75 to 50
Warden
Blink

Level 2: Reduced cooldown from 10 seconds to 7 seconds
Level 3: Increased cooldown from 1 second to 4 seconds
Dark Ranger
Life Drain

Increase damage done per second and lower mana cost
Level 1: Increase damage per second from 25 to 30; Reduce Mana cost from 75 to 50
Level 2: Increase damage per second from 40 to 45, Reduce Mana cost from 75 to 50
Level 3: Increase damage per second from 55 to 60, Reduce Mana cost from 75 to 50
Firelord
Incinerate

Level 1: Increased bonus damage multiplier per stack from 1 to 2; Increased death by incineration damage full area from 90 to 120; Increased death by incineration damage half area from 180 to 240; Increased duration from 2 to 4
Level 2: Increased bonus damage multiplier per stack from 2 to 3; Increased death by incineration damage full area from 90 to 120; Increased death by incineration damage half area from 180 to 240; Increased duration from 2 to 4
Level 3: Increased bonus damage multiplier per stack from 3 to 4; Increased death by incineration damage full area from 100 to 120; Increased death by incineration damage half area from 180 to 240; Increased duration from 2 to 4
Soul Burn

Level 1: Increased duration on units from 14 seconds to 16 seconds; Increased duration on heroes from 6 seconds to 7 seconds; Increased damage from 100 to 125
Level 2: Increased duration on units from 16 seconds to 18 seconds; Increased duration on heroes from 7 seconds to 8 seconds; Increased damage from 225 to 270
Level 3: Increased duration on units from 18 seconds to 20 seconds; Increased duration on heroes from 8 seconds to 9 seconds; Increased damage from 375 to 450
Goblin Alchemist
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Healing Spray

No longer heals enemy units
Heals Alchemist
Acid Bomb

Level 1: Increased Damage from 5 to 8 (total damage 75 to 120; Secondary damage 3 to 5)
Level 2: Increased Damage from 10 to 13 (total damage 150 to 195; Secondary damage 6.5 to 8.5)
Level 3: Increased Damage from 15 to 18 (total damage 225 to 270; Secondary damage 10 to 12)
Goblin Tinker
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Cluster Rockets

Now targets air units
Level 1: Increased damage from 35 to 45 damage per second
Level 2: Increased damage from 65 to 75 damage per second
Level 3: Increased damage from 100 to 110 damage per second
Naga Sea Witch
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Pandaren Brewmaster
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290

us.battle.net/forums/en/bnet/topic/20762137149

TL;DR: Zusätzlich zum PTR patch wurde Demon Hunter leicht generft (Mana Burn kostet nun 60 Mana anstatt 50)
World Edit hat weniger Limitierungen
Bnet Ping ist laut Tests besser
Ladder Reset kommt demnächst
Wöchentliche Bnet Turniere fangen nach Ladder Reset wieder an

rein da @roflgrins

LerYy · 13. April 2018, 18:56

Wie siehts atm mit Maphackern aus? War damals der Grund komplett von Wc3 auf DotA zu switchen.

Warb · 13. April 2018, 19:10

@LerYy
Sollen anscheinend immer noch problematisch sein, kann allerdings nicht aus persönlicher Erfahrung sprechen.

Midna · 13. April 2018, 19:38

LerYy schrieb:

Wie siehts atm mit Maphackern aus? War damals der Grund komplett von Wc3 auf DotA zu switchen.

Warb schrieb:

@LerYy
Sollen anscheinend immer noch problematisch sein, kann allerdings nicht aus persönlicher Erfahrung sprechen.

Gab es die nur in Custom Games oder auch beim Battle.net Matchmaking/Tournaments/Arranged Teams?

mallegrins · 14. April 2018, 08:43

Outrage schrieb:

Warb schrieb:

1.29 ist live auf Bnet

Hero Balance Changes

Mountain King
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Stormbolt

Level 2: Reduce damage from 225 to 210
Level 3: Reduce damage from 350 to 325
Thunder Clap

Level 1: Increased damage from 60 to 65; Increased area of effect from 25 to 30
Level 2: Increased damage from 100 to 125; Increased area of effect from 30 to 35
Level 3: Increased damage from 140 to 175; Increased area of effect from 35 to 40
Paladin
Attack Speed

Reduced cooldown from 2.2 to 2.0 seconds
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Divine Shield

Level 2: Reduced duration from 30 to 25
Level 3: Reduced duration from 45 to 35
Blademaster
Mirror Image

Reduced Mana cost from 115 to 100 for all levels
Critical Strike

Removed + damage item interaction from multiplier calculation: (Avg Damage + Item Damage)*Critical Multiplier = Total Damage
Prior calculation: (Avg Damage *Critical Multiplier) + Item Damage = Total Damage
Far Seer
Feral Spirit

Level 1: Increased unit healths from 200 to 250
Level 2: Increased unit healths from 300 to 350; Reduced unit level from 4 to 3 to reduce enemy experience reward
Level 3: Reduced unit level from 5 to 4 to reduce enemy experience reward
Chain Lightning

Reduced damage reduction from 15% to 10% per jump for all levels
Far Sight

Level 1: Removed mana cost; Added a cooldown of 60 seconds
Level 2: Removed mana cost; Added a cooldown of 45 seconds
Level 3: Removed mana cost; Added a cooldown of 30 seconds
Shadow Hunter
Serpent Wards

Level 1: Increased damage from 11-13 to 14-16; Increased health from 75 to 90
Level 2: Increased damage from 23-26 to 27-30; Increased health from 135 to 165
Level 3: Increased damage from 41-45 to 48-52; Increased health from 135 to 200
Tauren Chieftain
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
War Stomp

Level 1: Increased damage from 25 to 30
Level 2: Increased damage from 50 to 60
Level 3: Increased damage from 75 to 90
Reincarnation

Reduced spellcast from 7 seconds to 5 seconds
Crypt Lord
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Carrion Beetles

Level 1: Increased health from 140 to 170; Increase movement speed from 270 to 290
Level 2: Increased health from 275 to 330; Increase movement speed from 270 to 290
Level 3: Increased health from 410 to 490; Increase movement speed from 270 to 290
Impale

Level 1: Increased damage from 50 to 75
Level 2: Increased damage from 80 to 120
Level 3: Increased damage from 110 to 165
Dread Lord
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Carrion Swarm

Level 1: Increased maximum damage from 300 to 400
Level 2: Increased maximum damage from 600 to 700
Level 3: Increased maximum damage from 1000 to 1200
Mana Cost reduced from 110 to 100 for all levels
Now damages mechanical units
Sleep

Cooldown reduced from 6 seconds to 4 seconds for all levels
Level 1: Reduced duration from 20 (5) sec to 15 (4) sec; Reduced mana cost from 100 to 80
Level 2: Reduced duration from 40 (10) sec to 35 (8) sec; Reduced mana cost from 75 to 65
Level 3: Reduced duration from 60 (15) sec to 55 (12) sec
Vampiric Aura

Level 1: Increased life steal from 15% to 20%
Level 2: Increased life steal from 30% to 35%
Level 3: Increased life steal from 45% to 50%
Lich
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Demon Hunter
Mana Burn

Increased mana cost from 50 to 60 for all levels
Keeper of the Grove
Intelligence

Increased default value from 18 to 19
Tranquility

Added 3 seconds of invulnerability on spellcast
Reduced duration from 30 seconds to 15 seconds
Increased healing per second from 20 to 40
Entangling Roots

Level 2: Reduced duration on units from 24 seconds to 18 seconds; Increased duration on heroes from 3 seconds to 5 seconds; Increased damage per second from 15 damage to 20 damage
Level 3: Reduced duration on units from 36 seconds to 30 seconds; Increased duration on heroes from 5 seconds to 7 seconds; Increased damage per second from 25 Damage to 30 Damage
Force of Nature

Increased Treant attack damage from 14 to 16
Priestess of the Moon
Attack Speed

Reduced cooldown from 2.46 to 2.33 seconds
Scout

Increased speed from 270 to 300
Level 1: Reduced mana cost from 100 to 50
Level 2: Reduced mana cost from 75 to 50
Warden
Blink

Level 2: Reduced cooldown from 10 seconds to 7 seconds
Level 3: Increased cooldown from 1 second to 4 seconds
Dark Ranger
Life Drain

Increase damage done per second and lower mana cost
Level 1: Increase damage per second from 25 to 30; Reduce Mana cost from 75 to 50
Level 2: Increase damage per second from 40 to 45, Reduce Mana cost from 75 to 50
Level 3: Increase damage per second from 55 to 60, Reduce Mana cost from 75 to 50
Firelord
Incinerate

Level 1: Increased bonus damage multiplier per stack from 1 to 2; Increased death by incineration damage full area from 90 to 120; Increased death by incineration damage half area from 180 to 240; Increased duration from 2 to 4
Level 2: Increased bonus damage multiplier per stack from 2 to 3; Increased death by incineration damage full area from 90 to 120; Increased death by incineration damage half area from 180 to 240; Increased duration from 2 to 4
Level 3: Increased bonus damage multiplier per stack from 3 to 4; Increased death by incineration damage full area from 100 to 120; Increased death by incineration damage half area from 180 to 240; Increased duration from 2 to 4
Soul Burn

Level 1: Increased duration on units from 14 seconds to 16 seconds; Increased duration on heroes from 6 seconds to 7 seconds; Increased damage from 100 to 125
Level 2: Increased duration on units from 16 seconds to 18 seconds; Increased duration on heroes from 7 seconds to 8 seconds; Increased damage from 225 to 270
Level 3: Increased duration on units from 18 seconds to 20 seconds; Increased duration on heroes from 8 seconds to 9 seconds; Increased damage from 375 to 450
Goblin Alchemist
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Healing Spray

No longer heals enemy units
Heals Alchemist
Acid Bomb

Level 1: Increased Damage from 5 to 8 (total damage 75 to 120; Secondary damage 3 to 5)
Level 2: Increased Damage from 10 to 13 (total damage 150 to 195; Secondary damage 6.5 to 8.5)
Level 3: Increased Damage from 15 to 18 (total damage 225 to 270; Secondary damage 10 to 12)
Goblin Tinker
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Cluster Rockets

Now targets air units
Level 1: Increased damage from 35 to 45 damage per second
Level 2: Increased damage from 65 to 75 damage per second
Level 3: Increased damage from 100 to 110 damage per second
Naga Sea Witch
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290
Pandaren Brewmaster
Movement Speed

Increased base speed from 270 to 290

us.battle.net/forums/en/bnet/topic/20762137149

TL;DR: Zusätzlich zum PTR patch wurde Demon Hunter leicht generft (Mana Burn kostet nun 60 Mana anstatt 50)
World Edit hat weniger Limitierungen
Bnet Ping ist laut Tests besser
Ladder Reset kommt demnächst
Wöchentliche Bnet Turniere fangen nach Ladder Reset wieder an

rein da @roflgrins

puh nee^^

Kazuiii · 15. April 2018, 03:41

Kazuiii schrieb:

Hab mir heute dann doch SC Remastered gekauft weil ich ein so heftig viel BW watchen enjoye dass ich nicht drum rum komme selber ein bisschen zu spielen.

Bin super mega fucking noob aber wenn jemand ballern will wäre ich in :3

Spiele immer mehr und werde auch ein bisschen besser. Ruft mich an für 2on4 gegen bots :bluecool:

Kazuiii · 15. April 2018, 13:57

ASL geht endlich weiter btw (seit ca 2h)

heute ist Zergtag, 3 der besten Zergs ever in der Gruppe (Effort, Jaedong, Larva)

edit: Game 1 ist absolut KRANK nice, absolute empfehlung

Warb · 15. April 2018, 22:01

Holy shit was ein geiler Spieltag

Kazuiii · 15. April 2018, 22:17

Ja jetzt wo ich done bin kann ich bestätigen dass die games wirklich absolut krank waren. Das Niveau ist echt heftig in dieser Gruppe. Bin ja schon so hyped auf die playoffs

ScarPe · 16. April 2018, 08:15

gute spiele, aber mir gefallen die aktuellen maps irgendwie nicht so richtig.

Buktus · 16. April 2018, 12:15

Wie komme ich an WC3 Frozen Throne, wenn ich nur den Key für Reign of Chaos habe?
Wenn ich mich richtig erinnere brauche ich fürs battle.net ja eh nur den Reign of Chaos Key... Finde die scheiß Hülle nicht und hab aus irgendeinem Grund nur den Key vom Grundspiel bei Blizzard gespeichert.

Buktus · 16. April 2018, 12:37

nvm! Hatte auf meiner alten Festplatte ne Datei mit den abgespeicherten Keys... Hat alles funktioniert.

shrodo · 16. April 2018, 12:44

hab afaik noch nen Key für tft rumfahren falls einer braucht.

Kolibri · 16. April 2018, 16:13

Spieltag ist Gold gewesen

Was für ein Level ey

Kazuiii · 17. April 2018, 13:26

es geht weiter boys

heute umgekehrter tag

3 protoss 1 zerg

danach wird achtelfinale gezogen (afaik?)

Kazuiii · 17. April 2018, 14:25

Quarterfinals Spoiler

Warb · 17. April 2018, 19:21

Geht Gothic 2 weiter wenn Flash verliert? @Kazuiii

ScarPe · 17. April 2018, 22:45

transistor
scheint mir relativ schlecht für zerg zu sein.
die basen sind rechtweit auseinander und mit schmalen chokes verbunden.
dazu kommt noch, dass wenig möglichkeiten zum flanken da sind.
das macht pristorm sau stark gegen zerg.

gibts irgendwo daten zu den maps?

Kazuiii · 18. April 2018, 00:18

Ich finde Transistor nicht so krass. Dass die basen weit auseinander sind stört eigentlich nicht. Die chokes sind super eng was ein nachteil ist für early zergling aggression, aber das drop und mutaharass potential ist aufgrund des aufbaus der base + natural zum beispiel viel einfacher. Basen die die weit weg liegen stören Zerg eigentlich nicht so sehr, in multi-player-maps pickt man ja gerne sogar absichtlich eine Basis die am anderen Ende ist (Fighting Spirit zum Beispiel) wenn sie so besser Defbar ist. Dass Thirdbases schwer defbar sind weil sie relativ offen liegen ist problematisch für alle Rassen, aber für Zerg vielleciht aim einfachsten zu punishen.

Viel kranker finde ich diese semiisland map die ich auch richtig hasse. Im PvZ sehe ich da Protoss einfach viel zu weit vorne. Die choke ist relativ eng und der Großteil der Map ist durch Airdominanz so easy haltbar und favored Protoss imho viel zu stark dank der Überlegenheit von Corsairs (siehe heutiges Game wo einfach 3 stargates gebaut wurden und corsairs gemassed wurden). Außerdem kann man in anderen Maps schön einfach Hydras + Overlords losschicken für Detection, wobei die Hydras vor corsairs beschützen, hier ist das echt so viel schwieriger.

Kann aber auch nur ein Eindruck sein der durch die letzten paar Partien darauf entstanden sind. Frage mich auch ob Spieler einfach andere Taktiken auf der Map entwickeln sollten, z.b versuchen early auf devourers zu gehen wenn der Gegner zu air-heavy ist. Aber Zerg ist auch echt gefickt wenn man den Airbattle zu sehr verliert gegen Protoss, darf gleichzeitig nicht overcomitten.

Weiß not wo es Stats gibt, aber ich Liquipedia scheint eine Anlaufstelle zu sein, oder das foreign broodwar discord maybe.

ScarPe · 18. April 2018, 01:28

ich glaube ein problem ist auch, dass die karten relativ klein sind.
wenn du auf devour overcomittest switched er auf ground.
ich find es seltsam, dass der toss in dem matchup die marschroute vorgibt.

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